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Unobsolete excitatory and inhibitory neuron and fix current excitatory/inhibitory neuron terms #2083
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@bvarner-ebi commented on Slack A related question: are there considerations when adding classes (like excitatory/inhibitory (E/I) neuron) where the classes can never be defined in isolation? In this example, there are no intrinsic properties of a cell type that alone could define it as an excitatory neuron. While glutamate is mainly an excitatory neurotransmitter in the CNS, this is dependent on the receptor of the post-synaptic cell. There are metabotropic glutamate receptors which are primarily inhibitory, so a neuron that releases glutamate is not de facto excitatory. Whether or not the cell is E/I is determined by external factors. If a glutamatergic neuron is adjacent to a cell with ionotropic glutamate receptors and another cell with metabotropic mGluR2/3 receptors, is it E or I? |
Suggested definitions: A neuron that, when it releases neurotransmitter across synapses, completely or predominantly excites cells it is synapsed, changing their membrane potential towards their action potential firing threshold. A neuron that, when it releases neurotransmitter across synapses, completely or predominantly inhibits cells it is synapsed to, moving their membrane potential away their action potential firing threshold. |
@dosumis, thank you for the suggested text definitions. Consider these following proposed logical definitions: CL:0008030 'excitatory neuron' CL:0008029 'inhibitory neuron' |
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Previously it was decided that we obsolete excitatory neuron as it was too hard to populate
I am sympathetic to the argument - we want to avoid a spaghetti ontology with lots of incompleteness but I think we have to balance this with making an ontology that reflects what domain scientists expect. (also, when decisions are made on CL calls it is vital that we retain the full provenance of decisions, this is totally non apparent when we look at CL now)
Additionally, even if we want to stand by our original decision, we should implement it completely. We still have these terms:
These IMHO are odd groupings and the argument they are hard to populate also holds
The textual definition of the first now refers to a genus that doesn't exist, which is bad...
and the current logical definitions are more specific than either the label or the definition
[Term]
id: CL:4023039 ! amygdala excitatory neuron
intersection_of: CL:0000540 ! neuron
intersection_of: RO:0002100 UBERON:0001876 ! amygdala
intersection_of: RO:0002215 GO:0061535 ! glutamate secretion, neurotransmission
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols4/ontologies/cl/classes/http%253A%252F%252Fpurl.obolibrary.org%252Fobo%252FCL_4023039
[Term]
id: CL:4023068 ! thalamic excitatory neuron
intersection_of: CL:0000540 ! neuron
intersection_of: RO:0002100 UBERON:0010225 ! thalamic complex
intersection_of: RO:0002215 GO:0061535 ! glutamate secretion, neurotransmission
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols4/ontologies/cl/classes/http%253A%252F%252Fpurl.obolibrary.org%252Fobo%252FCL_4023068
Things are even odder on the inhibitory side
id: CL:4023079
name: midbrain-derived inhibitory neuron
def: A GABAergic inhibitory neuron that is derived from the midbrain
intersection_of: CL:0000540 ! neuron
intersection_of: RO:0002202 UBERON:0001891 ! midbrain
(neuronanddevelops fromROsomemidbrainUBERON)
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols4/ontologies/cl/classes/http%253A%252F%252Fpurl.obolibrary.org%252Fobo%252FCL_4023079
The text definition is more specific than the label, and the logical definition is even more broad, and the only reason we aren't classifying all midbrain derived neurons here is due to the paucity of brain-region specific developmental relations...
There are other terms that are implicitly inhibitory by label:
these don't have logical definitions. The definition of the first seems to a definition of the parent?
are these not similarly hard to populate
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Some general guidelines that should make their way into the CL editors guide:
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